Old Englishman

[ManwithX6]

Hello, please excuse my lack of German (like most English people).

I am really a Lotus man and bought a second-hand Elan in 1969 soon after I left college and I still have it! I've maintained it myself, as much as possible in a small garage, and my wife learnt to drive in it.

We had two new "hot hatches" and kept them for ten years each but she always fancied a Xedos 6 and when a doctor colleague offered her his 1995 V6 in 2002 she bought it. It was fine apart from useless front dampers and when, in 2016, the rust was too much to repair we were lucky to find another almost identical car with less than 30,000 miles (50,000 km) we bought it.

It has not been much trouble until a few days ago when it suddenly lost power and then died completely. The fuel pump has stopped working.

I understand that the three types of pump used are unique to the Xedos 6 and is not made any longer and is hard to find; so far my garage hasn't located one, and this seems to be the only forum still working so I am hoping someone here knows which pump would be correct and where there is one.

With thanks in advance, Manwith

[JWBehrendt]

Hi Manwith,
welcome to the German Xedos Community!

I assume, You talk about Your actual Xedos 6 V6.

May it can help you, to have a look to:

315795223492 at the German eBay

It is originally ment to a Mazda 626 GE V6, but this Models are technical so close, that nearly 80 to 90% of the Parts interchangeable.

Good luck
John

[ManwithX6]

Zitat von JWBehrendt

Hi Manwith,
welcome to the German Xedos Community!

I assume, You talk about Your actual Xedos 6 V6.

May it can help you, to have a look to:

315795223492 at the German eBay

It is originally ment to a Mazda 626 GE V6, but this Models are technical so close, that nearly 80 to 90% of the Parts interchangeable.

Good luck
John

Hi JWB,
Thank you for your welcome and information, it is my recent Xedos that has the problem. I will look at the 626 and check the German eBay today.
Today my garage man read the part number of the petrol pump of my car and it was CA 04 A6B 09 which is unlike any of the numbers I’ve seen on the English eBay parts which are all second hand and sourced from Lithuania! I have actually ordered the only one, of three, not shown as 1997 or later, but I will keep looking for others in case it doesn’t work in my car; it may take two weeks to get here and I can advertise it for sale again if it doesn’t work.
Thanks again, Manwith.
Ps I meant to Google-translate my messages into German and here is today’s and I will translate the original message in a new thread.

Hallo JWB,
Vielen Dank für die Begrüßung und die Informationen, mein neuer Xedos hat das Problem. Ich werde mir den 626 ansehen und heute das deutsche eBay überprüfen.
Heute hat mein Mechaniker die Teilenummer der Benzinpumpe meines Autos abgelesen und es war CA 04 A6B 09, was anders ist als alle Nummern, die ich auf den englischen eBay-Teilen gesehen habe, die alle gebraucht und aus Litauen stammen! Ich habe tatsächlich das einzige von drei bestellt, das nicht als 1997 oder später angezeigt wird, aber ich werde weiter nach anderen suchen, falls es in meinem Auto nicht funktioniert; es kann zwei Wochen dauern, bis es hier ankommt, und ich kann es erneut zum Verkauf anbieten, wenn es nicht funktioniert.
Nochmals vielen Dank, Manwith.
P.S. Ich wollte meine Nachrichten per Google ins Deutsche übersetzen und hier ist die heutige und ich werde die Originalnachricht in einem neuen Thread übersetzen.

[JWBehrendt]

Zitat von ManwithX6

Hi JWB,
Thank you for your welcome and information, it is my recent Xedos that has the problem. I will look at the 626 and check the German eBay today.
Today my garage man read the part number of the petrol pump of my car and it was CA 04 A6B 09 which is unlike any of the numbers I’ve seen on the English eBay parts which are all second hand and sourced from Lithuania! I have actually ordered the only one, of three, not shown as 1997 or later, but I will keep looking for others in case it doesn’t work in my car; it may take two weeks to get here and I can advertise it for sale again if it doesn’t work.
Thanks again, Manwith.
Ps I meant to Google-translate my messages into German and here is today’s and I will translate the original message in a new thread.

Hello ManwithX6,
unfortunately the partnumber Your Garage Man read out, is not listed in the Mazda EPC.
I still assume, Your car is a Xedos 6 V6, isn't it?

I checked the Mazda EPC for Xedos 6 V6 and 626GE V6 for the Fuelpump and there are two identical models (partnumbers):
Mitsubishi Pump = KL19-13-35ZB
Denso Pump = KL22-13-35ZA

Both Fuelpumps are complete with Filters, Gaskets & Lockers.

I hope, this information will be helpful to You.

so long,
John

[JWBehrendt]

Hi ManwithX6,
I just checked at PartSouq.com, the prices listed there
Misubishi Pump = USD 307,96
Denso Pump = USD 422,22

Both Pump models are marked as "Not Available". Nevertheless, they are listed for
Mazda Xedos 6, 626GE, Capella, MX-6 AND
Ford Probe II, Telstar, Telstar II.

so long,
John

[ManwithX6]

Thank you, John, for the information. The local Mazda garage told me the part number starts with KL22 and I ordered a used one on ebay (English) and it has arrived and will be fitted tomorrow! It cost about 50 euros and came from Lithuanian.

I apologise for not replying earlier as I had trouble understanding how to do it, the words in the labels aren't in my dictionary! I hope this works!

[JWBehrendt]

Well, to keep us furthermore informed about Your Xedos6, would give us the ability to may help other Xedos6 Newbees.
I would prefer You to order a 2nd used Pump, because all second Hand Pumps on the Market are older than 25 Years!
Why didn't You order a new replacement Fuelpump at eBay Germany?

The Partnumbers I gave You, are interchangeable itself & between the Cars I named. The MX-3 & Xedos9 has different Fuelpump-Partnumbers.


good luck,
John

[ManwithX6]

John and all,
The KL22 pump was installed last week and works but the drive circuit in the car doesn’t and may have been damaged by the failure of the old pump (which doesn’t work). So I am looking for a second-hand ECU (Engine Control Unit) Part Number: KFA218881C.
It is possible that an engineer here can repair the original ECU but he does not have a circuit nor a fixture (test rig) for it; he will not be here until Friday and I will be looking for a replacement before then, without much hope. Are there any in Germany, I can barely cope with your site and would be unable to use your eBay properly?
The pumps recommended by John are, I believe, just the pump part inside the assembly which has to be wired into the plate that attaches to the fuel tank. I do not have the resources to test an extra pump but perhaps the next Newbie (with my problem) on your site could buy two, you do not seem to have had many failures so far. According to our eBay the 1997 Xedos 6 used a KL19 pump but I do not know what is different as the pictures look the same.
Best regards

John und alle,
Die KL22-Pumpe wurde letzte Woche installiert und funktioniert, aber der Antriebskreis im Auto funktioniert nicht und wurde möglicherweise durch den Ausfall der alten Pumpe (die nicht funktioniert) beschädigt. Deshalb suche ich ein gebrauchtes Steuergerät (Motorsteuergerät) mit der Teilenummer: KFA218881C.
Es ist möglich, dass ein Ingenieur hier das Original-Steuergerät reparieren kann, ihm aber weder eine Schaltung noch eine Vorrichtung (Prüfstand) dafür zur Verfügung steht; Er wird erst am Freitag hier sein und ich werde bis dahin ohne große Hoffnung nach einem Ersatz suchen. Gibt es welche in Deutschland, bei denen ich mit Ihrer Seite kaum zurechtkomme und Ihr eBay nicht richtig nutzen könnte?
Bei den von John empfohlenen Pumpen handelt es sich meines Erachtens lediglich um den Pumpenteil innerhalb der Baugruppe, der mit der Platte verkabelt werden muss, die am Kraftstofftank befestigt ist. Ich habe nicht die Mittel, eine zusätzliche Pumpe zu testen, aber vielleicht könnte der nächste Neuling (mit meinem Problem) auf Ihrer Website zwei kaufen, Sie scheinen bisher nicht viele Ausfälle gehabt zu haben. Laut unserem eBay verwendete der Xedos 6 von 1997 eine KL19-Pumpe, aber ich weiß nicht, was der Unterschied ist, da die Bilder gleich aussehen.
Beste grüße

[ManwithX6]

Wow, that was quick! The first item on our eBay was an ECU with the exact part number on it, so I have ordered it and it should be Oct 19-23. I’ll keep you informed.

Wow, das ging schnell! Der erste Artikel auf unserem eBay war ein Steuergerät mit der genauen Teilenummer, also habe ich es bestellt und es sollte vom 19. bis 23. Oktober sein. Ich werde Sie auf dem Laufenden halten.

[Mazda RX-7 SA]

Hello Manwith.

Zitat von ManwithX6

John and all,
The KL22 pump was installed last week and works but the drive circuit in the car doesn’t and may have been damaged by the failure of the old pump (which doesn’t work). So I am looking for a second-hand ECU (Engine Control Unit) Part Number: KFA218881C.

Are you sure it is really the ECU which is defective?
Would recommend you the following:
1.) give the fuel pump external power
2.) try to start the engine

Zitat von ManwithX6

It is possible that an engineer here can repair the original ECU but he does not have a circuit nor a fixture (test rig) for it; he will not be here until Friday and I will be looking for a replacement before then, without much hope. Are there any in Germany, I can barely cope with your site and would be unable to use your eBay properly?

Yes, there are companies (in germany), which can repair ECUs.


Please keep in mind, that your Xedos does have an immobiliser system. It means, if you change the ECU you need to "teach" it to you car.
Means following sections need to have Authorisation to work together:
- ECU
- immobiliser control unit
- key

So if you only change the ECU, you need a Mazda dealer who can do that. Or you need to swap all three parts from same car.


Good luck!
Let us know your progress.
regards